Linh Dao Smooke chatted with Liz Eddy, Co-founder and CEO of Lantern, THE firm that helps death-planning simpler. Listen to The HackerNoon Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you hearken to your podcasts. Get authorised for 10-20x increased credit score restrict with Brex – [https://bit.ly/37doqiH](https://://hackernoon.com/us/br…) Learn extra about Liz’s story’s right here:
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Linh Dao Smooke chatted with Liz Eddy, Co-founder and CEO of Lantern, THE firm that helps death-planning simpler. 💆♀️
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On this episode of The HackerNoon Podcast:
- When did Liz get her begin? (01:14) 🍬
- How did Liz discovered her enterprise? (10:50) 🤯
- How did Liz know she wished to unravel societal points with entrepreneurship? (15:35) 🥺
- How did Liz discover her co-founder? (20:39) 👌
- What is Liz’s recommendation for aspiring entrepreneurs? (26:50) 🙋♀️
🐙 Lantern was nominated for startups of the 12 months in Brooklyn, New York: https://startups.hackernoon.com/us/br…
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🦑 Learn extra about Liz’s story’s right here:
[00:00:00] Linh: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the hackathon podcast. I’m your host Lindhout smoke CLO a pack of midday. I’m simply going to be right here at this time for Amy, Tom, an everyday host, and we had with us, Liz Eddy, a really particular visitor, the founder and CEO of lantern. Round of applause. Hi, welcome to the podcast.
[00:00:23] Liz: Thank you a lot
[00:00:24] Linh: for having me.
I’m so pleased to have you ever right here. Yeah. So that is why I discussed, in that chat earlier than the podcast I’ve to interview you after studying your story on the way you discovered it Atlanta. And I instructed Amy that that is the one interview, the one founder that I actually wish to interview. So thanks a lot for coming to affix the chat with me at this time.
First factor first, are you able to please inform the hackathon viewers a bit bit about your self?
[00:00:48] Liz: Yeah, completely. I really feel prefer it’s like the place to start once I was like two, 5,
[00:00:57] Linh: I suppose.
[00:00:58] Liz: I suppose from like a profession perspective I’ve been constructing firms since I used to be 15, so I began my first group actually targeted on relationship abuse and home violence training for highschool and college college students constructed it with two of my actually good mates. It’s been operating for greater than half of my life now, which is fairly wild to acknowledge and actually fell in love with the tempo and the range of operating a startup and not figuring out something.
And then studying as you go and assembly actually good folks and and doing all of it for a mission that I care deeply about. And so that sort of set me on a trajectory of actually. Wanting to work and startups desirous to work in mission environments. And so ended up working at a pair of nonprofits, beginning with do one thing and then transitioning into disaster textual content line, which is the I suppose now largest world disaster assist line through SMS and was the preliminary director of communications on the go to market technique.
Really bringing the idea to life. States, and then in three extra nations however have at all times had this like deep sort of nagging must get entangled ultimately of life and grief house. I misplaced my dad once I was 9, so it is at all times been a subject that I simply maintain very expensive to my coronary heart. Seeing the way it impacts a household logistically, legally, financially, emotionally.
And it wasn’t actually, till my grandmother handed away, although that I began to see like how I may actually have an effect within the house as a full-time job. And as one of the caregivers for my grandmother, I used to be the one who acquired. The preliminary cellphone name when she handed away. And so I drove as much as the place she was dwelling in a nursing facility in Connecticut and was bent by two law enforcement officials and nurse in her physique.
And they mentioned, what do you wish to do? And I used to be 27 on the time. I had no thought what was presupposed to be accomplished. Assumed that both such as you simply out of the blue know like instincts kick in or there’s somebody there to inform you. And the fact of it’s you understand, precisely the identical quantity of info you probably did earlier than it occurred.
And when you’re ready, you proceed to be unprepared. And so I pulled out my cellphone and I Googled, what do you do when somebody does. And I’m absolutely anticipated. Something like my present firm lantern existed was actually searching for a website that might stroll me step-by-step via all the pieces round finish of life and loss of life anticipated it to be well-designed to have an excellent person expertise.
Cause that is what we get in all places else. If you are getting married, you are having a child otherwise you’re shopping for a home, it is 25 completely different firms to select from. They’re all superbly designed. They’re extraordinarily complete. They’re very easy. They’re inexpensive. And then for the one factor that impacts each single individual on the planet, a number of instances all through their life, it was actually fragmented and costly and complicated.
And so wait
[00:03:49] Linh: a minute. What did you discover on that Google search? What did you
[00:03:52] Liz: truly. Oh, my gosh. It’ll yeah, it’s going to be it is very localized info sometimes. I got here throughout a a bunch of funeral dwelling listings, native funeral, dwelling listings, some weblog posts from 5 years earlier that had simply been round for awhile.
And so they’d good search engine optimization and what I ended up doing, which like, it feels actually ridiculous now, however I do know it is. The case for many individuals that, that are not utilizing lantern. I simply began calling from the highest down the funeral properties on that listing. I did not even know what to say. When somebody picks up the cellphone, I used to be like, I do not like, how do I begin this dialog?
What are you open with? Because they will simply say, hi there, funeral dwelling. And you are like
[00:04:33] Linh: my total life simply modified. Can you assist me, like navigating.
[00:04:37] Liz: Exactly. And I used to be fully stumbling over my phrases. I used to be like I really, I believe I mentioned one thing to the impact of like my grandma died.
I do not know if to was a physique helped me. I do not like simply panic as a result of it is not one thing we actually take into consideration till we’ve got to, and you then’re thrown into this like logistical mayhem of attempting to determine all of it out and to not point out, particularly with. The states we’ve got like horrible bereavement depart.
We have little or no assist techniques. We ignore that loss of life is the factor till it is proper smack in your face. So you are sometimes taking care of youngsters attempting to handle your job. Do you want your personal feelings of the expertise and then. Basically planning a marriage in per week as a substitute
[00:05:22] Linh: of the joyful and like all of the happiness that like a marriage, company arriving and cheering for you congratulating, you’ll convey it mainly.
It’s simply you are depressed. Why are you doing it? And I am unable to even think about it. I have not gone via it myself, however similar to I used to be shocked when studying out of your story, mainly that. Not up till, and like anybody who mainly did it in a pleasant, strolling you thru, navigating with you.
And she’s like serving to you as a human sort of manner. Wow. Like how can that be? I really feel as a society, as a tradition, we do not prioritize. Grief. And just like the draw back of being a human, like issues like miscarriage isn’t talked about, in our tradition. Even although it occurs the place one out of 4 ladies there must be like a marketing campaign, from the ladies, not like from firms, however actually simply from ladies saying that one out of 4, hearken to my story.
And I really feel prefer it’s the identical manner with with loss of life is we do not know. For no matter purpose, really feel comfy speaking about it or do one thing about it till we’ve got to allow you to talked about.
[00:06:27] Liz: Absolutely. And that is a lot of what lantern does sure, we construct merchandise that make issues simpler and sure, we check with companies and you are do all these items, however actually at its core, We’re attempting to assist folks have these conversations and really feel extra comfy and assured in these conditions as a result of earlier than, earlier than Lanter, and you actually, you had been on the scavenger hunt of attempting to piece collectively all of these completely different merchandise and instruments and companies and making quite a bit of guesses with out a lot of training, and then persevering with to function in a society that does not present correct, bereavement care in any side.
And so quite a bit of what we push for out of doors of, growing lantern itself is being a component of the push for nationwide bereavement depart within the United States. Like proper now there is no requirement for any sort of paid bereavement depart. For quite a bit of employees within the United States, they’ll lose their job for taking off after the loss of life of a beloved one.
[00:07:18] Linh: It’s thoughts blowing to me, like I’m over right here simply interested by paternity and maternity depart. So fucked up it’s that we already do not have that. Don’t deal with dad and mom like people, no manner, however not go to me. That it is the identical manner. But with folks dealing with loss of life and with grief, a society that does not deal with the delivery of somebody properly in all probability would not deal with the dentist of somebody properly.
I although. Oh my
[00:07:40] Liz: goodness. Yeah, we truly, we simply need them to survey. Or we’re asking folks to anonymously evaluate their firm’s bereavement insurance policies and advantages, and like every sort of evaluate, you get like the very best case and the worst case situations. And and there are definitely firms which might be doing a extremely nice job, however the overwhelming majority of the opinions that we’re getting are folks.
And these are like large, well-established very rich firms which might be doing issues. Like we had somebody inform a narrative write a evaluate that mainly mentioned this massive firm. She had 5 years of constructive efficiency opinions and then her partner. And she got here again after a number of weeks, which was, what they allowed her to take a extremely laborious time readjusting afterward and she ended up being, let go as a result of her efficiency slipped and you understand what it is like there’s gotta be a greater solution to deal with that.
[00:08:34] Linh: Oh my goodness. That is fucked up. That is simply, I am unable to imagine that. Oh, my God. Ah, and like couple of that with the truth that you are dealing like, grief will not be linear. It’s not one thing that you simply selected, it occurred to you, you recover from it and then it is it is overcome, proper? Like it is by no means that manner.
It’s we’ll sneak again to you. Like couple of that. The truth that you simply additionally should deal with all of this shit that life’s going to throw to you on the similar time,
[00:09:06] Liz: I’ll make a nostril, a reminder. We at all times remind employers and people who find themselves supporting family members after a loss. The one that’s coming again will not be the identical individual that left earlier than their temporary.
Currently, if that is a completely, deeply, emotionally modified individual and you need to be ready for that. You cannot simply say, okay, function at your 100% that you simply had been, final month,
[00:09:29] Linh: here is your KPIs. Here’s your subsequent quarter efficiency evaluate like, oh man. All proper. So stroll me via that date in 2018 once more.
So like you will have that cellphone name. Multiple cellphone calls with funeral properties, and then it is like off code to you that must be one thing to be accomplished about this as a result of apparently nobody is doing like what you subsequent? Add to that.
[00:09:50] Liz: Yeah. So I spent a while researching, trigger I’m additionally a agency believer that if one thing nice, already exists, be part of it, do not duplicate it.
And so I spent a while taking a look at quite a bit of the businesses which might be within the house and doing actually nice and attention-grabbing issues, however discovering that There was only a tendency, which is true in tech usually, to select one facet of a course of and do this one facet rather well. And I believe that is actually, it is a good solution to construct a scalable enterprise, proper?
To have your hook, have your wedge, and you then begin to construct out from there. But the fact of dropping any person is that you do not function in these little silos.
[00:10:28] Linh: Yeah, precisely. What simply takes up loss of life. It’s
[00:10:32] Liz: a life expertise. And it is precisely why, once you take a look at a marriage website, they are not like, oh, we’ll simply provide help to discover a marriage ceremony planner.
They’re like, no, we’re going that will help you discover all of your distributors and do your invites. They’re gonna, as a result of it would not make sense to make use of 20 or 30 completely different web sites for this life occasion. And so it, it wasn’t just like the idea of lantern because it stands at this time is the concept that got here up in that second.
It is developed dramatically over the previous couple of years and in enormous half primarily based on. My workforce and my co-founder. So I, after going via this with my grandmother, the very first thing that I did was I went to my, now co-founder actually walked into her condo and she teases me about this on a regular basis. That was like, we have got to do one thing about loss of life.
I used to be
[00:11:13] Linh: like,
[00:11:19] Liz: yeah. And I used to be like, what do you imply? We have to simply take into consideration that, however what does this, do? It’s. It is tempting at instances, particularly founders who undergo a life expertise to really feel like, oh, I signify the, each man, the each individual. And so I’m going to construct this product primarily based on my expertise.
And the fact is the way in which I skilled loss of life and loss will not be the way in which. 99.9% of folks have skilled that loss. It is it is very distinctive from a range of circumstances the place you reside on this planet, your tradition, your faith, your socioeconomic stage there’s so many alternative explanation why you skilled loss of life in several methods.
And there’s tons of, loss of life inequities within the United States and overseas. And so one of the largest issues for us once we began was to say, okay, I’m representing one expertise. We must get a collective understanding of what the first issues are that individuals are going through.
For us, within the United States, that is the place we had been focusing. And so we began doing a ton of person analysis and we had been interviewing folks from all around the nation that the one factor they’d in widespread was that they’d misplaced somebody within the final 18 months and that they had been the first planner.
And for the overwhelming majority of them had been folks we had by no means met. We labored via a like an identical firm for person analysis and. We heard over and over once more was this like, of course there’s the unhappiness and despair and the grief related with a loss. But the first factor that stored arising was anxiousness.
And it was anxiousness round not figuring out what you do not know, not with the ability to discover the data shortly, not figuring out who to belief via this course of and falling again on custom. Not as a result of they felt prefer it was the proper alternative, however as a result of they actually simply did not know what else to do.
And yeah, search for
[00:13:07] Linh: the one blueprint that
[00:13:09] Liz: is precisely like folks go to the identical funeral, dwelling era after era. They do not take into consideration is that this the proper factor for me? Can I afford this? Those conversations do not actually occur. It’s simply that is what we do.
And then we deal with the implications and it won’t be the proper match, however that is the place we’re. And in order that was our, I believe the largest factor for my co-founder Alyssa and I used to be, ensuring we had been. Setting out to construct one thing that, that actually addressed quite a bit, the bigger expertise of loss within the us and how we will finest method.
Something that we will clear up, proper? Like we will not repair grief like that’s that is going to be there. But what we will do is repair the anxiousness round that, across the not figuring out and take the logistics off of somebody’s plate in order that they’ll give attention to their grief and they’ll give attention to their household and, and the issues that actually mattered throughout that point.
[00:13:59] Linh: I really feel like that is like a standard thread in your story of because you had been youthful of similar to seeing some sort of like large, bigger societal points that you simply wished you wish to handle and then do one thing about it. Not like fixing it, such as you talked about, like you possibly can’t pretend. That there’s like home abuse and violence.
I like issues that occur outdoors of your management, however you are able to do one thing about it, simply the identical manner that you simply addressing, the grief and the dealing, the anxiousness, dealing with loss of life and logistics drawback of similar to being then with the ability to assist folks going via it. Why do you assume, clarify that?
Drive to simply at all times wish to do one thing about societal points. Is that you simply was simply born that manner? Is it, I do not know, like perhaps your dad and mom your setting, like what explains that?
[00:14:49] Liz: Yeah. I believe it is like anything, a cross-section of quite a bit of issues Partially simply how I used to be raised.
My mother has been, at all times been an activist notably she began a gaggle known as conversations on race, the place she’s serving to folks have discussions round racial inequities and racism, and largely like suburban cities with, Local dad and mom and college students. And so watching her do this, and now she’s additionally very concerned in animal rights activism.
So I there’s at all times been an activism edge inside my dwelling and it has been very regular. I believe that crossed with quite a bit of publicity to entrepreneurs, my grandmother, an entrepreneur, my mother’s not. And. There’s at all times the privilege aspect, proper? Like I, I at all times had the house to experiment. I at all times knew, like I’ve a particularly supportive household, each emotionally and financially the place I do know like I can strive issues and if I fail, I’ve one thing to fall again on.
I believe that provides you a stage of confidence to check and strive issues out. It’s definitely a cry throughout part of issues. Yeah.
[00:15:54] Linh: That’s so cool. That’s so cool to listen to. It’s like one of the points of your story that I used to be a lot referring to is that this, I do not wish to say naive, however like mainly I at all times assume of myself at any level in my life.
I may relate to me being 16. Eyes vast open going to this this factor known as U the United dwell school, which has 200 college students from 100 completely different nations for the primary time, from a bit city in Vietnam, going to that setting and being like uncovered to love mainly the injustices of the world and all of the completely different colours and diversities and stuff.
Any level in my life, no matter I do, I can at all times relate again to that second of being 16 and like being in India for the primary time and get launched nearly to this path that I’m on proper now. And yeah, it is simply it is attention-grabbing how life simply takes Texas alternative ways.
Cause you understand, I learn your story and I’m like, wow, like she’s mainly. Social entrepreneur for many of her life. And that mainly what I might determine myself as, in addition to I wish to do one thing, not as a result of society and like capitalism, what inform me to do. And that’s the solution to earn money, however I need to have the ability to make some sort of impression that’s bigger than than monetary.
Yeah, that, that’s one thing that I believe Draws me quite a bit to to, the way in which you method the issue of loss of life, but in addition all the opposite instances, such as you talked about you and Elissa, I just like the lower within the string and I’m similar to, that’s so stunning. Can you clarify a bit bit of that?
What is, what does that imply to have a co-founder or like somebody like a soulmate and your entrepreneurial journey you can. Always depend on
[00:17:38] Liz: having a superb co-founder is that if you do not have that I dunno. It’s I do not know the place, like the way you go ahead. I really, it is very laborious for me to visualise as a result of it is, doing one thing by yourself.
Is extremely lonely and difficult, and you are pulled in many alternative instructions, which is true, even when you’ve got co-founders, however much more in order a solo founder. And then having a co-founder that is not a superb match or that you do not belief or that you do not study from, or that you do not giggle with and have enjoyable with.
Also, may be actually the breaking level of a startup. And I do know from, doing a pair of rounds now of fundraising, enterprise capital fundraising, that a lot of what pre-seed buyers are doing is wanting on the strengths of the workforce as a result of in these early days, the co-founder.
Are what makes or breaks the enterprise. That’s it, that is all you will have. That’s how you need to go with, proper? Because the product has, it would not have product market match but. Like you have not discovered so many issues, however when you’ve got a powerful theme, you’ll get via quite a bit of these challenges and work via them collectively.
And with Alyssa, like we have been mates since, 2012, and we turned mates from working collectively, which I believe is a extremely highly effective solution to discover a co-founder is We labored collectively. We gave one another, fill out a suggestions. We, we had been, and via that turned excellent mates.
Some had been very used to having a working relationship. We do not. We at all times assume finest intentions in one another. We aren’t offended when one of us disagrees with the opposite or needs to alter one thing or, has a unique expectation. It’s, we’re very comfy with that. But the, the chitin stringing instance that you simply’re speaking about We so we’ve got, yeah, we’ve got our matching tattoos.
[00:19:28] Linh: you talked about I didn’t anticipate something much less. Yeah, of course you will have matching. Yeah.
[00:19:37] Liz: Yeah, that, that metaphor it is it is w we get requested typically, how do you divide and conquer as. As co-founders and the division of accountability is so vital and, we very a lot see it as we’ve got.
We have our division of accountability. We have our division of strengths. One cannot function with out the opposite. And I’m, as I believe quite a bit of CEOs are, I’m very like large image, heaps of concepts. Like I get tremendous overvalued and energized by conversations and I’m at all times pulling issues from completely different conversations and issues I’ve learn, and I’m like me, and to do that and do that and take into consideration this.
And and that’s. Important. It’s an vital L you want that in a startup, proper? You should at all times have that innovation going, but when that is all you will have, you are not going to have something. It’s going to be complete chaos with no focus,
[00:20:31] Linh: the metaphor I take advantage of, not metaphor, however just like the phrases that we use between me and David related is the Explorer and the discover.
So I’m the Explorer within the pear. Basically, I make it possible for we do all the pieces. We have meals on the desk. The gentle is on and the workforce doesn’t die to not be dramatic, however David could be. Partnerships and I noticed every kind of new territories and take into consideration two years from now, 10 years from now, like what else we will do, all the massive image, such as you talked about.
And I believe it additionally works effectively in our case, although we’re not like founders relationship with mainly the runner of the cabinets. So we like main a workforce. It’s vital to have somebody who retains the workforce grounded and who maintain issues transferring. And then it is also vital to. Steer the ship, proper?
Like to maneuver the factor within the course and not get too caught up in all of the day-to-day. So that’s excellent that you’ve somebody like
[00:21:30] Liz: that in your workforce, extraordinarily grounded. She’s extraordinarily considerate. She’s extraordinarily thorough. She has, and she has a extremely smart way. And that is true for our complete workforce.
Not only for me. She has a extremely highly effective manner of not like stomping on folks’s concepts, however attempting to maintain us organized and transferring ahead. So it is not you come to her with an thought and she’s no. It’s extra like actually attention-grabbing and nice. Okay. Here’s the place you understand the place our subsequent quarter is, the place the subsequent 12 months is.
And perhaps we will transfer these items round and perhaps this factor ought to wait. And she’s she’s excellent about making you’re feeling like heard and supported and understood whereas additionally maintaining the ship transferring in the proper course.
[00:22:08] Linh: That continues to be superior. Okay. After studying your story, I’ll mainly wish to be finest mates with you.
And then after this interview, I mainly additionally wish to be finest mates with her.
for actual although, perhaps if we ever like in New York, but when you have not been in Colorado, we would undoubtedly. She’d like me Devin individual,
[00:22:32] Liz: that we’re large hacker midday followers. It’s superior. When we first noticed it I although it was the primary time I had been launched to hacker midday and I wrote to our engineers and I used to be like, Hey, you guys we’re about hacker midday.
And we’re like, of course we do.
[00:22:48] Linh: I, after 4 years that by no means will get outdated. Every time somebody says that they know easy methods to midday or I am going someplace and like on the pc, they studying one of us tales. I’m similar to, get this type of butterfly feeling in my tummy nonetheless. Yeah. I do not assume that can ever go away, however I’m simply so pleased.
So the rationale why we discovered you and Lantus and like this stunning story of the way you based the corporate is mainly. Running marketing campaign it has been happening for 2 months now known as startups of the 12 months. And Landon was truly nominated as one of the very best startups in Brooklyn, New York. Yeah, simply viewers know, like they’ll go to startups down, hacking into.com and discover Brooklyn.
It’d be like, you resonate with Liz’s story otherwise you simply wish to try what, what it is wish to have an organization that mainly is like the marriage planning website model of. Depth planning and the way in which you describe it, it is not it is fairly complete as a result of much more folks would perceive what it is like to love marriage ceremony website of they’ve ever gone via it then.
Yeah. Like you possibly can take out a land to now and perhaps they will give them a ship. As for it, like concluding the dialog. Do you will have any. Let me see. What’s a superb sort of leaving notes for any like aspiring entrepreneurs on the market, particularly any aspiring, like feminine entrepreneurial on the market.
Do you will have any sort of recommendation perhaps any suggestions for them to go forward to do what they what they’re meant to do
[00:24:18] Liz: first of all. Do it, I might be, I it is, it is thoughts blowing to me how solely about 2% of enterprise capital goes in direction of feminine companies at this level. There, there is no lack of, besides it is not like a pipeline subject.
There’s no lack of distinctive feminine entrepreneurs on the market. And so I used to be like pushing, join, assist one another, attain out to me. I actually do attempt to elevate and make introductions and push ahead different founders. And yeah I, when you want that encouragement, I’m out there and excited to, to assist these progress.
[00:25:00] Linh: I’m sorry to chop you off. But just lately I realized a stat that All firms began out, 40% of firms began out being based or run by a feminine entrepreneurs. But as a result of of the disconnect between VC cash and firms, it seems like 2% of complete firms that advert run by females about funded, which is loopy as a result of it is not like for the shortage of firms being began by females, it is that bridge between funding and and firms being run by females that’s missing.
And I listened to this podcast at planet cash podcast, the place this individual tried for 48 hours. To use solely feminine based firm merchandise. So issues like standing chits, which mainly was began by this individual known as Stacy. And then now it is not it is not run by Stacey anymore and like by a person, however I strive so laborious to.
Just observe the monitor of firms and, cross that tomato sauce, bathroom paper that based large firms. And mainly she couldn’t do it like after 48 hours. She needed to give that as a result of that is simply not sufficient product that that, run by, by an organization audit, proceed to be run by an organization for her to proceed that streak, which can be thoughts blowing to me.
[00:26:12] Liz: It actually. And so we’d like extra of us must assist one another. And I additionally, for those that are additional alongside, even when it is only a step forward, like ensuring you assist different folks up and yeah,
[00:26:29] Linh: completely. Okay. Thank you a lot, Liz. This has been a brief dialog, however I get pleasure from each single minute of it.
And I hope that primary Landon continued to achieve success and. You obtain no matter you got down to do for this 12 months, but in addition for the subsequent years to return. And quantity two, perhaps landed will win startups of the 12 months. That is one thing that we might help with the viewers. Listen, when you’ve got one of the 300 those that occur to hearken to this podcast, why do not you go forward?
Two startups began hacking them.com and silencing proper now. Maybe one thing will occur. What occurred to you
[00:27:09] Liz: a lot? I admire it.
[00:27:12] Linh: Thank you a lot. Bye bye. All proper.
All proper. Thank you, Liz. This has been an episode of the hacking in podcast. It was hosted by me, joined by Liz Eddy, Atlanta, and edited by editor, Alex Cobb. Thank you for tuning in.
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